Thursday, 13 September 2012

Nationwide Energy Services - Cold calling to keep you warm

Nationwide Energy Services are a call centre based in Swansea.

"Nationwide Energy Services believes that everyone should claim the government grants available for loft insulation and cavity wall insulation" source NES website

Nationwide Energy Services managed to convince the BBC Wales business correspondent that they are an important new employer. They're taking on 350 call centre staff in Swansea to alert home owners that they may be entitled to free govt grants for home insulation.

The money does exist - it comes from the CERT scheme (Carbon Emission Reduction Targets). 

You may be reading this because you are one of the thousands of people Nationwide Energy Services bother every week with their cold telephone calls. Oh the irony - they promise to help keep us warm, but they do it by cold calling!

Nationwide Energy Services phoned my mother yesterday. The salesman told her the 'government usually gives us bu**ger all'. Language like that still surprises my mother, especially when it comes from someone who's phoned her uninvited. She firmly told him she already has loft insulation and doesn't want cavity wall insulation, but somehow he managed to persuade her to reveal her address so a surveyor could call round today.

As soon as she got off the phone she realised she may be the victim of a scam. She knows I have already checked if she is eligible for energy saving grants (she isn't) so this free visit could only end up costing. So she tried to phone Nationwide Energy Services on 0800 408 9000 but after repeated attempts all she got was either music or an announcement saying there is a fault.

Then she spoke to me. I googled the company. Yes they are bonafide agents, who cold call mainly old people setting up appointments for insulation installers. The NES blog says they make 10,000 visits each week resulting in 7,000 installations.


So if Nationwide Energy Services are a bona-fide company ensuring homeowners get their share of govt cash why don't they ever answer their phones?


A web search shows that almost no-one can get through on this number, or any other number NES has phoned them from. This is no doubt because after investing all that time persuading people they need a visit they certainly don't want them to phone back and cancel. Nor would they want to actually have to pay operators to lose them business.

I decided I'd better go round to my mother's in time for the surveyor's visit - planned for between 12 and 3. I didn't make it. She phoned at 11am to say the surveyor had just been.

Fortunately she showed the shabbily turned out man the same respect Nationwide Energy Services showed her - she sent him away with a lecture about how she won't deal with companies that use inappropriate language and don't answer their phones.

The web is awash with tales of bodged jobs, and missed installations, but I'm sure they must have some satisfied customers among those 7,000 weekly installations. 

Some people have received free insulation and been very happy. So why operate the business like its a scam, giving a useful service the big hard sell and frightening pensioners in their homes?

Rather telling is the forum posting from a former tele-sales worker at NES. The ex-worker managed to fix up 4 successful visits a day - not enough for Nationwide Energy Services who require many more visits to earn their commission from the CERT fund. After being urged to push harder, this worker decided NES wasn't an employer they wanted to work for - even in recession hit Swansea.

The money for the CERT scheme comes from the energy companies, who of course collect it from us via our energy bills. It's a shame this government scheme wastes so much of our cash paying commission to middlemen who've spotted a business opportunity.


Apparently Nationwide Energy Services are planning to branch out into comparison selling insurance. How about PPI claims handling? Or accident victim compensation? These sound like suitable services for a company which never answers its phones and ignores the rules of the Telephone Preference Service when it comes to cold calling.

Update, June 2013. BBC Three are currently screening 'The Call Centre' an observational documentary soap in the style of comedy series The Office, showing what high jinks the happy Welsh workers at the company behind Nationwide Energy Services are. Nev, their cheery boss is portrayed as a loveable version of David Brent. The BBC rather gloss over the annoyance caused to millions of elderly people trapped at home all day, by all this cold calling activity, but hey why let the facts spoil the fun. 

18th June 2013 - Embarassment for the BBC today as the Information Commissioner has imposed fines totalling £225,000 on 2 of the companies featured in BBC Three's the Call Centre (one of which is Nationwide Energy Services, the other a ppi claim company - the first to be fined). The fines are for failing to make adequate checks the people they cold call are in fact registered with the Telephone Preference Service (and have therefore legally chosen not to receive unsolicited marketing calls). The Information Commissioner received more than 2,700 complaints about these companies between May and December 2012. I'm sure the BBC will be re-recording some of the voice over in future episodes to restore some editorial balance to the series. It may be hysterically funny to work there, but their antics inflict misery on millions of old people, stuck at home all day, who now are too scared to answer their own phones because they know it will be some numpty asking if they've been mis-sold payment protection insurance.


Saturday, 11 August 2012

Never phone a Premium Rate number again...





Aviva Insurance Renewal - free number on envelope, Premium Number inside

Aviva sent me a home insurance renewal this morning. I wanted to phone and ask why the quote had gone up 15% from last year, for exactly the same cover (I know, it's insurance inertia, they hope you won't check. They don't even tell you what you paid last year).

Apart from getting the premium reduced to the same price as last year, I also saved some extra pennies on the phone call.

The renewal letter suggests I call 0844 891 3962 to discuss the quote. This costs 3p a minute from a BT land line, and much more than that from a mobile.

Flip over the envelope which contained the quote, and Aviva helpfully display all the freephone numbers for the different types of insurance. Simples, as one insurance comparison site says, just phone the free number. 

My call to Aviva lasted around 20 minutes (including the time on hold waiting. Don't pay to hold!) The saving for phoning free rather than at 3p a minute = 60p.


I never phone an 0870, 0845 or 0844 number without looking for an alternative. My bible for this is the brilliant website www.saynoto0870.com

The rules for Premium Rate phone  numbers are simple

1. Never call a premium rate number (0870, 0845, 0844) from a mobile phone. It will cost up to 30p a minute
2. Never call a free phone (0800) number from a mobile phone. It will cost up to 30p a minute.
2. If you have a calling plan with inclusive minutes always try and find a geographical number first (01, 02, 03) these numbers are included in your free minutes.
3. If you have a BT land line then free phone numbers (0800) are just that, free to call, so  if you find an 0800 alternative - as I did with Aviva - use that.
4. If you have a BT calling plan which allows inclusive calls at evenings and weekends (or even all day) then 0870 and 0845 calls are included. 0844 calls are never free.

Confusing I know, and if you make a mistake it can cost dear.

My BT calling plan only allows free evening and weekend calls, but my mobile phone calling plan has unlimited free minutes to landlines. So I always check the website Saynoto0870.com for a geographical (01,02,03) and use that. 

Yesterday I made 3 calls which were all displayed as 0870 or 0845 but managed to find alternative numbers for all of them (West Bromwich Building Society, Standard Life, HSBC) using the site. In the process I saved at least £2 which will contribute nicely to the monthly mobile phone bill (which is a fixed cost).

As for Aviva, just as with their inflated renewal quote they rely on dialling inertia to make themselves a few extra quid at our expense. The paid for number is displayed next to the quote, the free number is on the envelope, which has probably been discarded by the time you get round to phoning.

I don't much like doing business with Aviva - and their business is certainly having a rough time in this recession - but I couldn't beat the renewal quote on any comparison site, so I'm stuck with them for another year.